Hi Richard,
The Brewer piece was intended to compare double enders of substantial
displacement. You can read the actual article at:
ftp://tognews.com/Good_Old_BoatMagazine_T37/Tayana37Mar05.pdf
The editor of Good Old Boat was kind enough to provide permission for us to
post this on the Tayana web site.
The article by Brewer is found on page 4 of the PDF file.
The Hans Christians are heavy displacement, generally quite well made, but
with a relatively low Sail Area/Displacement. However, when sailing in heavy
weather, they are said to be very solid and comfortable. Hull is very heavy
layup of fiberglass.
regards,
Harvey

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard B. Emerson" <pavilion@pinefields.com>
To: <baba-l@ballreich.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Baba-L] Baba/Panda/Tashiba and Tayana

> My guess is "Moses boat" is one of those expressions that occurs to more
> than one or two people and gets passed around. It hits someone with a
> following and may well become "his" expression. Who knows... it's an
> amusing line and that's fine.
> On the matter of reverse transoms, boats like Perry's Nordic series will
> slam and bang while merely at anchor and caught by a modest wake from
> astern. The notion of presenting the slab that they do to a following sea
> doesn't strike me (pun not intended) as the most sea-kindly idea. OTOH, a
> dock neighbor's Nordic 40, with her much longer waterline, will
> effectively do a horizon job on the Baba 35 or Tashiba 36. This same
> boat, power sailing to windward in a near gale north of Tortola, got
> through the seas but was not the dryest ride I've had.
> Not having seen the Brewer piece, it's hard to comment on the notion of
> comparing the three boats he chose but on the basis of experience on the
> water, adding the HC38 to the mix leaves me wondering what he was
> thinking. This is the quintessential "leaky teaky" (well, maybe I'll give
> that title to the Island Trader, in which case HC's run a close second),
> unable to sail out of their own way. Baba 35's do *not* compare well to
> these boats because, quite simply, Baba 35's put these boats to shame.
> Harvey J. Karten wrote:
>> Hi Rick,
>> I don 't know where the phrase "Moses" boats started, but Perry used the
>> term to tease devotees of double enders in their belief that it "parts
>> the waters of a following sea". Pretty grandiose notion when a breaking
>> 15-20 footer is quickly overtaking your stern. The neat thing about the
>> Perry design is that he added a lot more bustle to the stern, giving it a
>> lot of buoyancy, and helping lift the stern with a following sea. As he
>> has often said, the double ender is mostly a matter of esthetics. I
>> sometimes do wonder, however, if the contemporary reverse transom with
>> stern entry may provide too large and flat a surface for a following sea,
>> and increase the surface that would be hit by a breaking wave on the aft.
>> But countering that effect, is that most modern stern entries also carry
>> wide beam all the way to the stern, thus adding a beneficial buoyancy (as
>> well as wide aft cabins!), and longer waterlines.
>>
>> The lovely and extremely well designed and constructed Pacific Seacraft
>> series by Crealock are canoe sterns, but have narrow stern ends, rather
>> than the full bustle of Perry and Huntingford designs. Perry also likes a
>> marked tumblehome curve to the stern. He directly attributes this to Aage
>> Nielsen's designs. A very useful comparison of various double enders by
>> Ted Brewer was recently published in "Good Old Boat" magazine. He
>> compared the Tayana 37, Pacific Seacraft 37 and the Hans Christian 38. I
>> can't recall if he also mentioned the Baba, but his comments would
>> certainly apply to the Baba 35.[...]
>
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