On 6/15/07, Peggie Hall <peggie.hall@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dave Lewis wrote:
> > I
> > just go under the principal if the toilet pump and associated valves
> > last more then a year without a problem calling for a re-build, well...
> > you are doing good.
>
> Only if the toilet is a Jabsco! Any decent quality toilet shouldn't need
> rebuilding more than once every 3-5 years--even with constant liveaboard
> use--if it's kept well lubricated. 'Cuz it's lack of lubrication that
> wears out seals, o-rings etc, not use.
>
> > These oxygenated
> > products seem to be great "so far," but I think they are probably much
> > like the use of O3 to some extent because they seem to be so effective.
>
> Actually 03 (ozone) isn't that effective...at least not the amount that
> the ozone generators sold for use on boats put out. Yes, people who've
> bought them do rave about how well they work. And, yes, the
> manufacturers do assure you that the ozone concentration is well below
> that which can present any health hazard. But if that's true, they
> can't deliver enough ozone to destroy the SOURCES of any odors. If they
> did, it should only be necessary to run one occasionally. But among all
> the people you know who've bought ozone generators, have you ever met
> anyone who has one who's ever been able to turn if off without having
> odors return?

It helps if it does not smell to start with. The only odor I content with
is head associated and is usually removed with the Oxygen spray product.

Can you turn yours off without bilge odor returning?? That
> should be enough to tell you that ozone generators are nothing more
> than very expensive air fresheners, because they don't deliver enough
> ozone to be anything else.

Doesn't smell to begin with, I actually built the unit to work with fresh
water decontamination but never got around to using it. I know this purifies
water that would otherwise be undrinkable from test run in the past, very
effective. Now with a water maker I am reluctant to make the system any more
complicated then it needs to be. O3 and water purification is unique, but
best done in the tank, where excess gas is vented topside with little or no
ill effects to be concerned with. I do not plan to put this in the water
tanks at this time.

What's more ozone is highly corrosive and damaging to rubber and
> flexible PVC...iow, to every seal, valve, gasket and hose on a boat.

Yes and no, it depends upon the concentration and exposure also materials
involved.

And according to the EPA, "Available scientific evidence shows that, at
> concentrations that do not exceed public health standards, ozone is
> generally ineffective in controlling indoor air pollution. The
> concentration of ozone would have to greatly exceed health standards to
> be effective in removing most indoor air contaminants. In the process of
> reacting with chemicals indoors, ozone can produce other chemicals that
> can be irritating and corrosive."
>
> So ozone generators should never be run while aboard, even if you run
> blowers...which, btw, render it even less effective by sending it off
> the boat.

Possibly... one has to be careful. I have seen people with nasty coughs and
running these units in their homes directly aimed at where they sit with no
idea what the health hazards might be. One has to be aware of how to use. I
was a doubter until I observed what it did to well water in a holding tank
(not to be confused with a sanitary tank), the performance was flawless.

Cleaning the bilge--really CLEANING it, instead of just dumping bilge
> cleaner and/or some caustic cleaning product into it--is a lot cheaper
> and far more effective way to eliminate bilge odor than an ozone
> generator. For half the price of an ozone generator, you can buy a power
> washer that makes bilge cleaning downright easy.
>
> Getting back to your oxygen bowl cleaner...after doing a little
> research, I think it's prob'ly fairly safe to use in your boat plumbing.
> The active ingredient in most liquid oxygen cleaners a solution of
> hydrogen peroxide in water--mostly water, 'cuz under US law it can't
> contain more than 8% hydrogen peroxide...most contain only 3%. (It's
> anyone's guess what limits, if any, there are under Mexican law). It
> releases oxygen which does the cleaning and bleaching leaving only water
> as the byproduct. If you use it sparingly and there isn't anything else
> in it that's caustic, it should be safe.

Thanks for this input Peggy. Hydrogen peroxide has an interesting nautical
history. It was used in it's purest form as a propellant for the MK16-6
torpedo as it contained the ability to support combustion. The Russians
continued to use their version of this torpedo long after the US military
removed it from service and as a result lost the Kursk from primary
explosion on one of these weapons. The Germans designed the XXI submarine
powered by hydrogen peroxide which allowed them to run their diesel while
submerged with no snorkel induction. Great cleaner, powerful fuel in the
pure form; however, extremely volatile.

Dave

>
>
>
> > On 6/15/07, *Peggie Hall* <peggie.hall@gmail.com
> > <mailto:peggie.hall@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Dave Lewis wrote:
> > > Sump, toilet bowl cleaner, sink cleaner, and disinfectant.
> > >
> > > I like to avoid boat marketing products when commercial products
> > will do
> > > the same job, if not better, at a fraction of the price. I have
> been
> > > using Ultra Oxygen Cleaner, which removes all bowl stains,
> disinfects
> > > and leaves all sanitation (galley, sink, toilet bowl, associated
> > tubing
> > > and general head wipe down) smelling fresh and clean. I was most
> > amazed
> > > at the removal of all toilet bowl stains with no effort, just
> spray a
> > > couple shots into the bowl after each use and within a week or
> > two your
> > > bowl will be spotless. I purchase this cleaner in a spray bottle
> > at Solo
> > > Un Priceo for $1. There is no boating prodcut that compares to
> > this that
> > > I have found.
> >
> > Only time will tell whether or not it's doing any damage to the
> rubber
> > parts in your toilet or your hoses.
> >
> > Peggie
> >
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/14/07, *Peggie Hall* < peggie.hall@gmail.com
> > <mailto:peggie.hall@gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:peggie.hall@gmail.com <mailto:peggie.hall@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard Cassano wrote:
> > > > Peggie,
> > > >
> > > > I just found a plastic bottle of C.P. on my garage shelf.
> I
> > > purchased it
> > > > from you many years ago and somehow it was removed from
> > the boat
> > > during
> > > > winter haul out and never put back. Is there a shelf life
> > to the
> > > > chemistry? Any harm in using it after all this time?
> > >
> > > No harm, but it won't do any good either...'cuz if you bought
> > it from
> > > me, it's nearly 10 years old...the bacteria and enzymes in it
> > died LONG
> > > ago!
> > > --
> > > Peggie
> > > ----------
> > > Peggie Hall
> > > Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
> > > Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation
> > Systems and
> > > Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
> > > http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/
> > <http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/>
> > >
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> > Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems
> > and
> > Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
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> Peggie
> ----------
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> Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
> Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
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