Alan,

Good input. I think if I had it all to do over again, I would order a new
Tyana pilot house to my specs... it would not cost any more then what I have
put in my boat; although, I prefer the Baba/Panda/Tashiba... the amount of
work and $$ I put in this boat I will never see again; however, it kept me
off the streets and I am now nearing completion, which means only the big
ticket items have been dealt with, there will always be maintenance.

Speaking of Pacific Seacraft, they retain their value better then any
cruising boat I have found and I often wondered why? They seem cramped and
small inside. Thing twice about the size. 30' is not much room for
cruising... solo maybe, or day sailing but for two it is very tight.

Just some thoughts,

I wish you well,

Dave

On 9/7/06, Alan Sugarman <sugarman@sugarlaw.com> wrote:
>
> Let's assume your Baba 30 is 20 years old or so. Now, looking at the
> survey, it is saying that
>
> > o Survey said it "is in good condition compared to other
> > vessels of similar type and age"
>
>
> Assuming that the Baba 30 has not been abused, on the one hand (like,
> oversanding over over cleaning the deck, failing to fix obvious leaks
> etc.) but has had no systems replaced in the 20 years, you should assume:
>
> replacing the rigging
> replacing the fuel tank - baba specific
> replacing all the rubber hosing
> replacing a lot of wiring
> replacing the charger and alternator
> rebedding everything on the cabin top and deck - everything including teak
> trim
> replacing all stainless steel t's etc that were put in by TaShing
> replacing the hot water tank
> replacing the refrig if it is 20 years or so old
> recaulk and rebung and sand the teak deck
> replace lexan on hatch covers and rebed
> replace glass in portlights (may have fogged over)
> replace rubber seals in all portlights
> replace chain plates - special concern is the bobstay chain plate
> that could be under water
>
> Then there are some Baba specific items:
> double check the bowsprit for rot as mentioned elsewhere
> the cockpit lazarette covers may need rebuilding or replacing (I replaced
> mine)
> if there were leaks from the cabin top - may have bulkheads that need
> to be rebuilt - check all bulkheads for dry rot
>
> etc.
>
> If the sails have never been replaced, then you need a full set of
> sails - forget 20 year old sails
>
> For the engine - you will need for sure all new hosing, new elbow,
> alternator (see above) etc.
>
> So, all of the above is work that should have been done 15-20 years
> into the boat.
>
> Blisters - better check that out - See current article by Steve
> Antonio is PassageMaker - this is a warning to you that could be problem.
>
> Anyway - there are boats out there that may cost twice as much but
> may be a better deal -
>
> What would a new Baba 30 cost in 2006 assuming they were still
> made? Probably$250K to $275K or more.
>
> Go price a new Pacific Seacraft 31 which is a new boat that could
> compare to a Baba 30 and then compare that to what your are paying.
>
> Then add in another 50K-75K or so for the work outlined above.
>
> But, then again, you may find a Baba 30 where the owner has been
> "investing" $5K to $10K a year and hours and hours of work on
> keeping the boat modern and in repair for the last 20 years ---
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> At 01:58 PM 9/7/2006, you wrote:
> >Greetings Baba owners
> >I am not yet an owner of a Baba, but currently have an offer in the
> >works (on a Baba 30), and I would like to probe your collective
> >knowledge of Babas. I don't think I should mention the boat by name or
> >say what the current offer is since the deal is not finalized, however I
> >think it may be safe to say that it is at the bottom of the scale for a
> >Baba in good condition, and may be priced right considering it is very
> >sparsely equipped; None of the following are on the boat: GPS Roller
> >furling, heater, dingy, auto pilot, dodger. Good news (I think) is the
> >boat has been kept in fresh water for most of it's life, and appears to
> >have been maintained.
> >
> >So, here are my questions of the group:
> >
> > * It has had a survey, should I get a second?
> > o Survey said it "is in good condition compared to other
> > vessels of similar type and age"
> > o Survey showed some small blisters on hull which it
> > characterized as cosmetic and do not need immediate
> attention.
> > * What, if any, are known deficiencies of Babas that I should look
> at
> > * I am thinking of having a diesel mechanic check out the Yanmar,
> > but is there anything specific I should check?
> >
> >Any other comments would be appreciated
> >Thanks
> >Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
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