I don't even think we are at the point of voting on anything. Hence the
reason for lack of a vote.

Both Cindy and Myself indeed summarized simple solutions. So simple, in
fact, the 'summary' merely consisted of one or two sentences. In addition,
Ken actually listed the 3 solutions put forth so far.

In order to have a vote, someone has to corral this bunch. No one has
stepped up to the plate to do that or even offered to administer a vote.
We're an anarchy and I don't see anyone rushing to change that.

I think as a group we agree that something, sooner or later, will need to be
done. Personally, I don't agree with Yahoo groups or MSN. It's a matter of
principal but I've never let that get in the way of eating crow.

So, rather than point out that a vote hasn't been initiated, someone needs
to take the lead if a vote is going to be made.

In fact, I don't recall any voting when we jumped on SailJazz's site. So
what's the big deal?

For those of you shaking your head and wondering why we're making such a
stink about this, it sure beats apathy.

Cheers,

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: David Glueck [mailto:davidglueck@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:15 PM
To: Baba, Panda and Tashiba
Subject: Re: [baba] What vote?

Me too. I've been on-list all weekend and saw nothing about a vote or
a summary.

David Glueck


At 06:32 PM 10/30/2005 -0800, you wrote:

>I must have missed something. What email summary? What vote?
>
>I'm bothered at what I sense is the direction things are headed. We seem
to
>be getting too focused on another DIY approach, driven not by the fact this
>is our best group decision but simply because, if you'll excuse me, there
>are people on the list who think they know how to do it, and no doubt do,
>but who I sense are a bit too willing to brush under the carpet the rocky
>road that Rick E only too often had to drive us along.
>
>My impression is that things are starting to border on a very UNdemocratic
>process...perhaps a bit similar to the one we just had dumped on us. Maybe
>the word "steamrollered" is a bit too strong, but I confess it comes to
>mind.
>
>I never saw someone prepare a "ballot", ie, list out all the issues, all
the
>options (including paying SailJazz), pros and cons (unbiased), and ask
>people to vote on them. Plus such a "vote" needs time to let others
>contribute. After all, the bomb only dropped Friday afternoon (in perfect
>keeping with the fact that Friday afternoon is always when bad news is
>released), but for goodness sakes, it's not even Monday yet! Many people
on
>this list may be out sailing or carving pumpkins or whatever. Bruce seems
>to have the right advice, "sit tight for a while", but I'm afraid it's
>falling on some deaf ears.
>
>We still have a week on this list, and beyond that we could very easily,
>quickly and temporarily (with emphasis on the last word) use something like
>sailboatowners, Yahoo Groups, MSN Groups, etc, until we had democractically
>given enough time to reach as much of the existing list as possible. By
>plunging in and starting to immediately use something like Rick's message
>board, or have Cindy set up a listserv, or whatever, the train starts
>moving, we all get shoved on board, perhaps get locked in, only to find out
>it's going in the wrong direction for us. More important, Murphy could
well
>decide to impose some serious, unforseen problems or disadvantages.
>
>Yes, the Valiant list has moved far far faster than we have, and it isn't
>what I would have advocated. However, they have gone to Yahoo Groups and
>about half their people have already moved over to it. If Yahoo is OK for
>them, why is it not for us? Or MSN Groups? Must we automatically and
>immediately dismiss such Groups as completely out of the question, or, in
>extreme cases, dismiss them as a four-letter word without any facts to
>support such a statement?
>
>There, I've had my say. I am saddened by this turn of events, enough to
>seriously contemplate a listless existence.
>
>Steve Hodge, Panda 40, Alcyon
>
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