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From: Richard B. Emerson <pavilion_at_pinefields.com>
Date: Thu Jun 02 2005 - 05:19:11 PDT

Without further comment:

Richard,

You seem hostile and not at all like someone who is really asking for help.
I took my time to sincerely try and help you based on similar problems
experienced by our customers. I'm surprised that a person with your
credentials hasn't written their own navigation program.

The CAPN is used by the US Coast Guard and Navy on ships all over the world.
Were it the least bit unreliable, the military would cancel their contract
with Nautical Technologies immediately. I've sold thousands of CAPN programs
to demanding cruisers, racers, and commercial customers for over 10 years.
The program enjoys a well deserved reputation of reliability throughout the
marine community. I typically run The CAPN at boat shows 8 hours a day for
as much as 10 days with the public 'playing' with it. The CAPN has rarely
failed in this stressful environment and has proven remarkably robust.

Your statement that "Given earlier revs never showed this problem with the
same laptop and OS (WinXP Pro) last year, it doesn't look good for V7.5.3."
assumes that the program was changed and is now unreliable with your PC. No
other users have had this problem that I'm aware of. If they did, I would
stop selling The CAPN and recommend another program.

I suspect you have a Windows problem but I doubt you would contact Microsoft
in this manner.

I am a dealer for Nautical Technologies and have no control over when they
release an update. I can only tell a customer what they tell me and I was
told on numerous occasions that the final release date for CAPN 8.0 was the
Miami Boat Show in February. Nautical Technologies has the responsibility to
contact customers who were sold 7.5 upgrades and send them a free upgrade to
8.2. I received my own copy of 8.2 between the messages to you and have just
started receiving full program inventory a few days ago. I still don't have
any upgrade inventory.

It is in my interest to tell my customers the truth and deliver quality
software to them as soon as possible. This is the way we have always run our
business. Since you have implied that I do neither, I'm choosing to cease
doing business with you. Please direct all of your future communication to
Nautical Technologies.

_/)SB

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard B. Emerson [mailto:pavilion # pinefields.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:07 PM
To: SeaTech Systems
Subject: Re: Cap'n V7.5.3 to V8.x upgrade


Thank you for an excellent example of fingerpointing and conclusions
reached without supporting information. I have taught computer science
at the university level. I *write* TSR's on occasion (*not* on my nav
system, obviously). I also have done (and continue to do) security
consulting (past clients include the U.S. Navy). Suffice it to say that
all of my systems (nav and otherwise) are secured from intrusion by
appropriate means and methods. In short, I do know about resource
management in Windows (and other) OS' and I do understand security risk
management in an environment more stringent than a home PC.

I bought 7.5.3 from you as an interim rev. pending the release of V8.x.
It now appears V8.x is in release (your last note indicated it was not
and that you were still waiting for it) and has been updated at least
once, all without any mention, from you, of this. So much for relying
on you for V8.0.

Richard B. Emerson

SeaTech Systems wrote:


>>Rick,
>>
>>We are seeing many PCs exhibiting these problems. They run great when
>>new, then start crashing with The CAPN or many other graphically
>>intensive programs after a few months.
>>
>>The problem isn't The CAPN but usually terminate and stay resident
>>programs
>>(TSRs) or spybots. A TSR is a program that loads itself into 'startup' and
>>thus starts-up and runs every time you boot up the machine. These programs
>>'stay resident' and use a portion of your precious random access memory
>>(RAM). When enough of them use up enough memory, Windows crashes. To
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address

>>this problem go to Start > Run > type: msconfig > go to the startup tab and
>>uncheck every box except your virus checker (or any other program you can't
>>live without running all the time). This will remove the program from
>>automatically starting up but not remove the program from the computer. I
>>think you'll find that Windows will boot much faster (within reason) and
>>your programs will run faster and much more reliably. Caution: make sure
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you

>>understand what you're doing and don't uncheck something that loads a
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driver

>>for your external mouse, printer, etc. If you do uncheck a box that runs
>>something important, simply go back and check that box again. I think you
>>will be amazed at the number of programs on this list. Our office record is
>>147 programs on a machine that took 15 minutes to start Windows. The
>>customer's wry comment was, "I thought it was slowing down a bit. I just
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let

>>it start while I make a pot of coffee."
>>
>>Oh, just moving programs out of 'startup' on the program list won't
>>work. Programmers figured out that you knew about this a long time
>>ago...
>>
>>The next problem is spybots. These are programs that load automatically
>>on your hard drive from the Internet or 'borrowed' software and hide
>>themselves among the thousands of files. Their job is to 'spy' on you
>>and report anything from the websites you visit to your buying habits.
>>They can copy your entire e-mail list that will wind up on a spammers
>>registry of millions of 'possible erectile dysfunction customers.'
>>Another version called adware can load a 'pop-up' ad that that just
>>appears out of nowhere. These things can be nasty as they use up a
>>tremendous amount of RAM or conflict with other programs. This will
>>lead to crashes and can corrupt files depending on the quality of the
>>programming of the spybot. When companies that create these or use them
>>are caught, they simply plead 'market research' and get their wrists
>>slapped like most 'white collar' criminals. As you can imagine, this
>>data can be very valuable.
>>
>>In order to find and eliminate spybots (also called adware), go to
>>http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ or
>>http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html. These programs are free
>>and you might want to use one after another as I do. What one can find
>>another misses. Adaware seems to be updated more often but SpyBot
>>Search and Destroy will 'immunize' your system against some of these
>>pests. No program is 100% effective and a final solution is to reformat
>>your hard drive and reload all of your software.
>>
>>Or you could have a virus. Be that's another story...
>>
>>CAPN 8.2 has been released and we are shipping it now. I'm still
>>learning all the new vector chart controls and features. AIS data
>>integration is still being finished but will be offered as a free patch
>>'later.' Please call 800.637.4020 to request your upgrade. If they
>>request a serial number from your 7.5 upgrade disk please ask them to
>>call us.
>>
>>PS-I hope you are using Mozilla Firefox as a browser. It's much better
>>than Internet Explorer at blocking these programs and viruses from
>>disabling your machine. You can find it free at:
>>http://www.mozilla.org/. Faster than IE too...
>>
>>_/)SB
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>>
>>"Twenty years from now you'll be more disappointed by the harbors you
>>sat in than the gunk holes you skipped. Pull the hook. Leave that
>>crowded, noisy, harbor behind and explore. You can always buy an RV
>>later." - cap'n
>>greybeard;}))
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Richard B. Emerson [mailto:pavilion # pinefields.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:10 PM
>>To: SeaTech Systems
>>Subject: Cap'n V7.5.3 to V8.x upgrade
>>
>>
>>Last weekend I ran V7.5.3, purchased at the Philadelphia Strictly Sail
>>show, for the first time on board my boat and it crashed twice in two
>>hours. Each failure was so severe it locked the system up and would
>>only respond to powering down, not even CTL-ALT-DEL. In each case Cap'n
>>was the only program running and the program was only tasked to read GPS
>>data, follow a route, and emit commands for an Autohelm 6001 - a system
>>combination used for five years. Given earlier revs never showed this
>>problem with the same laptop and OS (WinXP Pro) last year, it doesn't
>>look good for V7.5.3. Has V8.x been released or is it still in
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development?

>>
>>Rick Emerson
>>S/V One With The Wind, Baba 35
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